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		<title>Oy... Robot</title>
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			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
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		<category term="Kurzweil" />
		<category term="Singularity" />
		<updated>2009-07-26T21:08:00Z</updated>
		<published>2009-07-26T21:08:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;The NYTimes has a new &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/science/26robot.html?ref=science" target=_blank&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;article &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;on AI where Kurzweil and Joy are mentioned.&amp;nbsp; It's not clear to me what the position of the Microsoft researcher, Horvitz, is.&amp;nbsp; He seems to be saying that the real threat isn't from the Singularity happening&amp;nbsp;but from a possible luddite backlash to AI that people like Kurzweil might inspire.&amp;nbsp; Let's hope that's the case.&amp;nbsp; We need real scientists to address the Transhumanist movement and denounce it as the psuedo-religious cult that it is.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;</content>
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	<entry>
		<title>Computational Paradigms?</title>
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			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
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		<category term="Kurzweil" />
		<updated>2009-07-23T03:14:00Z</updated>
		<published>2009-07-23T03:14:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;One of Kurzweil's claims is that there have been five computational paradigms over the last 110 years: mechanical switches, relays, vacuum tubes, transistors and integrated circuits.&amp;nbsp; Each of these develops until it reaches a plateau which then spurs the next paradigm.&amp;nbsp; There are some problems with this:&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; The definition of 'paradigm' is unclear.&amp;nbsp; For instance, there isn't a large difference between&amp;nbsp;mechanical switches and relays yet Kurzweil separates them into two separate paradigms.&amp;nbsp; Also, transistors and ICs are based on the same physical phenomenon which means they could be considered the same paradigm.&amp;nbsp; Conversely, each generation of ICs could also be considered a unique paradigm.&amp;nbsp; You could have 2 paradigms (information stored by mechanical position or electronic charge) or 20 paradigms (... 250nm, 180 nm130 nm, 90 nm, 65 nm, etc...).&amp;nbsp; Too few would mean that the concept of paradigms can't be used to extrapolate, too many and it loses its significance.&amp;nbsp; Kurzweil arbitrarily chooses five paradigms is a nice Goldilocks number.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; All technologies have paradigms, even the ones that have reached a plateau like aviation.&amp;nbsp; Aviation has had at least 3: propeller, rocket and turbine.&amp;nbsp; Simply saying the there have been paradigms doesn't mean that there will be a new one to come along.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; The earlier transitions occurred when the computer industry was very small and so it was much cheaper to retool to the next technology.&amp;nbsp; I don't have numbers but the amount of money necessary to move from relays to vacuum tubes must have been miniscule given the fact that the industry barely existed at the time.&amp;nbsp; Today, the semiconductor industry is a &amp;gt;1 trillion dollar global industry which has enormous inertia that must be overcome to retool for a new 'paradigm'.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</content>
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		<title>The Man in charge of the 2nd Fastest Computer in the World</title>
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		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
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		<updated>2009-07-23T01:57:00Z</updated>
		<published>2009-07-23T01:57:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;You won't believe this, but 3 months ago on my way to the SAE meeting in Detroit, I happened to sit next to the man&amp;nbsp;in charge of the 2nd fastest &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.hpcwire.com/blogs/ORNLs_Jaguar_Leaps_Past_Petaflop_34282109.html"&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;computer &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;in the world, Tom Zacharia.&amp;nbsp; We talked the whole flight and of course, I had to ask him about Transhumanism.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The Jaguar computer, of which Zacharia is the PI, now exceeds 1 petaflop (10^15).&amp;nbsp; Zacharia said that 1 exaflop (10^18)&amp;nbsp;is already planned and is inevitable.&amp;nbsp; He also&amp;nbsp;believed that a zettaflop (10^21)&amp;nbsp;will one day be constructed.&amp;nbsp; This should please all you Transhumanists out there since this should be more than enough for strong AI if you believe the estimates of Moravec.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I asked him about A.I. and he pointed out that computers already do many things that people 100 years ago would consider intelligent and that we just keep redefining what 'real' intelligence is as computers advance.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I also pointed out that many people that I work with are skeptical about the usefulness of computers for modeling real world problems.&amp;nbsp; He &lt;SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: JA; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"&gt;bristled &lt;/SPAN&gt;at this and called those people 'cook and look' who pretend that collecting three data points and drawing a line constitutes 'understanding'.&amp;nbsp; This was personally amusing because I know exactly who he was referring to.&amp;nbsp; By the way, we call what the modelers do 'type and hype'.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;</content>
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	<entry>
		<title>The Singularity is NOT Near</title>
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		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
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		<category term="Kurzweil" />
		<updated>2009-07-23T01:45:00Z</updated>
		<published>2009-07-23T01:45:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;Ray Kurzweil's beliefs can be summarized thusly: The goal of evolution is to manufacture God. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;My refutation of this is:&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; A technology-creating species &lt;EM&gt;might&lt;/EM&gt; not be the inevitable product of evolution.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;therefore,&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; The price-to-performance ratio of computers &lt;EM&gt;might&lt;/EM&gt; one day reach a plateau.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;therefore,&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; The rational response to the God of Kurzweil is agnosticism.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;</content>
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		<title>Dennett on AI</title>
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		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
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		<updated>2009-07-23T01:17:00Z</updated>
		<published>2009-07-23T01:17:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;Daniel Dennett is one of my heroes.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;He is one of the few philosophers&amp;nbsp;who take science seriously.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;His twin classics, Consciousness Explained and Darwin's Dangerous Ideas, have dramatically changed my outlook on the world and the meaning of life.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Dennett is also the favorite philosopher of the AI community, so his opinion on AI matters.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;A href="http://bigthink.com/danieldennett/daniel-dennett-investigates-artificial-intelligence" target=_blank&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;Here&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt; is a video where Dennett says that he doesn't think AI will happen anytime in the &lt;SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'MS Mincho'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: JA; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"&gt;foreseeable&lt;/SPAN&gt; future.&amp;nbsp; Dennett is too smart to believe that AI is inevitable and recognizes the enormous complexity of biological systems.&amp;nbsp; Another factor&amp;nbsp;might be that Dennett's career doesn't depend on getting funding from&amp;nbsp;DARPA&amp;nbsp;which means he can be honest and doesn't have to be constantly hyping up his ideas.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;</content>
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	<entry>
		<title>Is IT finally becoming a commodity?</title>
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		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<updated>2009-07-23T01:14:00Z</updated>
		<published>2009-07-23T01:14:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;All Transhumanism rest on the belief that information technology (IT) will keep improving at exponential rates.&amp;nbsp; However, this can't happen as the increasing costs for improvements will eventually outpace what the market can bear and IT will then become a commodity, like electricity or silverware; something that doesn't change much year after year.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Here is an &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;A href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/22/counting-down-to-the-end-of-moores-law/" target=_blank&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;article&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt; in the NYTimes about Sandisk chairman Eli Harari, "Counting Down to the End of Moore’s Law," where he says in 7 years it will end.&amp;nbsp; He says that the future is 3D stacking.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=QSIIYHOIQKQB0QSNDLPCKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleID=216403284" target=_blank&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;Here&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt; is another.&amp;nbsp; And &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/Moores-Law-Reaching-End-of-Life-Study-186633/"&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;here&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The question is, will vertical integration generate the same performance gains that traditional scaling has.&amp;nbsp; We'll see...&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR&gt;</content>
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	<entry>
		<title>Eagerly waiting for the end of Transhumanism...</title>
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			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
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		<category term="Kurzweil" />
		<updated>2009-06-17T02:56:00Z</updated>
		<published>2009-06-17T02:56:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;About once a month, I hear another Transhumanist in the news.&amp;nbsp; Recently, it was Kurzweil in Newsweek saying that he will resurrect his father.&amp;nbsp; As an atheist, I find this stuff very annoying because Kurzweil is using his credentials and technical jargon to pitch a religion to a public that doesn't know any better.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; The reason he does this is not to convince others in the giant universe-sized computer ball which will be God, but to convince himself.&amp;nbsp; Does he really believe in this stuff, or is this just a scam to make money?&amp;nbsp; One thing is certain, he is either a liar or a fool.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Transhumanism started in the late 80s when people began to notice the dramatic increase in computing power and extrapolated the trend.&amp;nbsp; Transhumanism will end when the price-to-performance ratio of computers reaches it's inevitable plateau and information technology becomes a commodity.&amp;nbsp; I just wish it would happen already!!!&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BR&gt;</content>
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	<entry>
		<title>Refuting the Longevity Escape Velocity</title>
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			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
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		<category term="de Grey" />
		<updated>2009-01-29T04:58:00Z</updated>
		<published>2009-01-29T04:58:00Z</published>
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&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I was curious to see if de Grey had actually tried to defend
his belief in inevitable accelerating technology when I came across Bret
Weinstein's argument in the SENS Challenge (&lt;a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/sens/docs/weinstein.pdf"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).&amp;nbsp;
In my last post, I claimed that de Grey had read my blog since he seemed to
respond to a point I made on the deceleration of aviation technology.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is wrong because de Grey already was
forced to respond to this point by Weinstein.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;It is instructive to read this exchange because it goes right to the
heart of de Grey’s entire argument.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Weinstein identifies de Grey’s fundamental point: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"&gt;The clear, but unstated,
implication of de Grey’s framing is that senescence is a tractable engineering
problem. In fact, it’s not even an implication, it’s an assumption.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Precisely.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;However, I
would add that de Grey’s assumption is even more expansive than that.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;He assumes that there is a technical solution
to EVERYTHING.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This includes preventing
earthquakes and hurricanes, space travel, and re-engineering stars to prevent
them from going supernova.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The only
limit comes from our lack of will to solve the problem.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;However, Weinstein points out that:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"&gt;&lt;br&gt;
(h)e is ignoring the fact of diminishing returns, and the apparent
inevitability of the curve leveling off. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Diminishing returns happens to all accelerating trends
because each doubling is twice as hard as the previous one.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;De Grey’s thinking (like all Transhumanists’)
is Malthusian in that he merely assumes that the trend will go on forever.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;De Grey responds:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"&gt;The “escape velocity” concept is based not on faith but on
the history of technology, in which incremental refinements of an initial
breakthrough reliably occur at, if anything, an accelerating rate rather than
encountering diminishing returns, subject only to sustained public enthusiasm
for further progress (which faded with, e.g., space travel but seems dependable
in respect of postponing aging).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This sentence encapsulates de Grey’s entire argument.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;All of the SENS ideas are just obfuscatory
filler compared to it.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In short, all
technologies inevitably accelerate and only slow down for lack of public
enthusiasm.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;In
responding to Weinstein’s main point that ‘Diminishing returns is the proper
model (for technological progress), and it provides little basis for hope,’ de
Grey just reverses Weinstein’s point back at him:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"&gt;reasons also exist for optimism regarding our ability to
continue to combat new sources of aging damage … we will be taking advantage of
… the accelerating rate of progress in biomedical research generally.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Follow
that?&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Biomedical research won’t
decelerate because it is accelerating.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Another
flawed assumption that all Transhumanists have is displayed by de Grey:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"&gt;Engineering problems are properly considered tractable
unless their achievement would contravene scientific laws or mathematical
theorems&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Weinstein responds to this point in his rebuttal:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"&gt;And what about the laws, limits and theorems that are
emergent in complex systems? Humanity is only just beginning to understand
these second order limits that arise in highly complex systems, and yet de Grey
would have us believe that the least restrictive set of rules, the ones we
already know, are the only ones with which we need to concern ourselves.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Precisely.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I made
this point in another posting but it is worth repeating.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;You don’t know what is going to happen with
any technology until you actually test it.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;The behavior of even very simple systems can be controlled by complex
interactions of multiple factors that can make the technology intractable.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;De Grey claims that he is an engineer but he
thinks like a scientist in how he assumes that the world follows nice regular
abstract patterns that can be easily modeled and manipulated. &lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;In reality, everything around us is
interacting in a complex combinatorial non-linear way that almost always defies
description by ‘scientific laws and mathematical theorems’.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Weinstein concludes:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"&gt;What can I say? The conclusion is sacred. Total rejuvenation
and perpetual youth are foreseeable for people alive today. If escape velocity
is required, then it must be justified. If diminishing returns is an
impediment, then it must be entirely sociological.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Yep.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These Transhumanists want to believe it and
nothing you can say will change their minds.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;This only reinforces my feeling that I shouldn’t be wasting my time with
this nonsense.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I’m not one to argue with
religious believers since it is nearly impossible to change their minds and the
main reason they believe is because it makes them feel good about themselves,
so let them be.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Fortunately,
the looming end of the accelerating price-to-performance ratio of computers
should deal a severe, hopefully mortal, blow to Transhumanism.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>de Grey entry on The Edge</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2009/01/21/de-grey-entry-on-the-edge.aspx?ref=rss" />
		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2009-01-21:6f7a57a4-2184-42db-a36d-048b70817b85</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<category term="de Grey" />
		<updated>2009-01-22T04:00:00Z</updated>
		<published>2009-01-22T04:00:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">GEEZ!&amp;nbsp; I am a lazy sod!&amp;nbsp; It's been almost a year since my last post.&amp;nbsp; This blog costs me just $53.81/year so it's not too bad I suppose.&amp;nbsp; Plus, I value my time more than my money. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I feel the need to respond to Aubrey de Grey's &lt;a href="http://www.edge.org/q2009/q09_5.html#degrey"&gt;entry&lt;/a&gt; on the current Edge poll about What will Change Everything?&amp;nbsp; Apparently, de Grey has read my blog!&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In this &lt;a href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/10/17/accelerating-aviation.aspx"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt;, I point out that de Grey's argument about accelerating aviation requires that there be new breakthroughs in 1990 and 2010. De Grey responds that: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;"But to make my aviation analogy stick, I of course need to explain the dramatic &lt;i&gt;lack&lt;/i&gt; of progress in the past 40 years (since Concorde)."&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His explanation is that "we haven't developed them because we couldn't be
bothered, an obstacle that is not likely to occur when it comes to
postponing aging."&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Basically, his argument is that the will to invent is a sufficient cause of technological acceleration and since avoiding death is a never-ending source of will, it's cure is inevitable.&amp;nbsp; De Grey's argument apparently extends to engineering stars to prevent them from going supernova!&amp;nbsp; I wonder, won't we also have the will to go back in time to rescue dead relatives?&amp;nbsp; Is time travel inevitable?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is true that having the will to invent is necessary for technological advancement; the perfect example being the moon landing.&amp;nbsp; If the Soviets hadn't beaten us into space I doubt we would have ever bothered to land men on the moon.&amp;nbsp; There would've been no need to one up them.&amp;nbsp; However, having the will is just the beginning.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We live in a universe that is governed by laws of physics that limit what is possible.&amp;nbsp; Real-world phenomena are the result of many complex interactions that defy simple prediction.&amp;nbsp; Therefore, most limits are unknown until they are discovered by experimentation.&amp;nbsp; We simple don't know what technologies will or won't work until we actually try to invent them.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is it true that the aviation industry just couldn't be bothered to develop anything new?&amp;nbsp; That doesn't sound like them.&amp;nbsp; I interviewed with GE Aircraft 10 years ago and they seemed to have a lot of R&amp;amp;D going on.&amp;nbsp; Mainly on thermal barrier coatings.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe a better explanation for the decline in progress is that all technologies eventually run into problems that can't be cheaply solved and so no one wants to pay for them anymore.&amp;nbsp; The technology then becomes a commodity.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;De Grey believes that there are inevitable technical solutions to every problem we will ever encounter, like cookie crumbs leading us out of the forest.&amp;nbsp; He bases this belief on absolutely nothing.&amp;nbsp; Not even a Ouija board.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt; </content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>I'm Back ... Briefly</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2008/03/28/im-back--briefly.aspx?ref=rss" />
		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2008-03-28:c9f8399d-5820-4ddd-a50a-8c22de3ec60e</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<updated>2008-03-28T05:22:00Z</updated>
		<published>2008-03-28T05:22:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;font size="3"&gt;The first reason I haven't posted in a while is because I'm a father!&amp;nbsp; She turns 4 months old next week so I have had much better things to do than to write more blog entries.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br&gt;Another reason is that I am not as annoyed at Transhumanism now that I have this blog up.&amp;nbsp; I've gotten a lot off my chest and it's been very cathartic which, ironically, has reduced my motivation to keep things going.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, Transhumanism is utterly doomed and all the dates when amazing techno-transformations will supposedly happen are rapidly approaching.&amp;nbsp; As these predictions flop, I am content to just sit back and watch the carnage.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The baby's crying.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-HP&lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Happy Birthday Jacques Barzun!!!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/11/30/happy-birthday-jacques-barzun.aspx?ref=rss" />
		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2007-11-30:af561348-2155-4e1b-8afe-85b31b31827e</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<updated>2007-11-30T18:07:00Z</updated>
		<published>2007-11-30T18:07:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;div&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;Jacques Barzun turns &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://barzuncentennial.murphywong.net/"&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;100 years&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;&amp;nbsp;old today.&amp;nbsp; His book Science: The Glorious Entertainment is on my night stand right now.&amp;nbsp; He wrote one of the best books I have ever read: &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dawn-Decadence-Western-Cultural-Present/dp/0060928832"&gt;From Dawn to Decadence&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Aubrey de Grey: Just the Computer Guy after all</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/11/19/aubrey-de-grey-just-the-computer-guy-after-all.aspx?ref=rss" />
		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2007-11-19:523db2d0-99f2-4909-8b3e-5f1c1e6a4eb8</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<category term="de Grey" />
		<updated>2007-11-20T02:49:00Z</updated>
		<published>2007-11-20T02:49:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;div style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;In case anyone out there mistook Aubrey de Grey for an actual Cambridge scientist, click this &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC_DMxxa4sM&amp;amp;feature=related"&gt; link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt; to learn the truth.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;In turns out that de Grey was really just the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://www.cnettv.com/9742-1_53-11125.html"&gt; computer guy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt; at Cambridge's genetics department.&amp;nbsp; Moreover, he has apparently been fired for exploiting his marginal association with Cambridge to push his nutty Malthusian techno-religion.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Accelerating Aviation?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/10/17/accelerating-aviation.aspx?ref=rss" />
		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2007-10-17:cc9c6f5f-b2b4-4080-959e-a2157f2a1d62</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<category term="de Grey" />
		<updated>2007-10-18T02:05:00Z</updated>
		<published>2007-10-18T02:05:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;div style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;In Aubrey de Grey's new book &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://www.amazon.com/Ending-Aging-Rejuvenation-Breakthroughs-Lifetime/dp/0312367066"&gt; Ending Aging&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;, he bases his belief that we will live for 1000s of years not on science but on an empirically false and biased view of the history of technology.&amp;nbsp; He believes that initial breakthroughs in science and technology lead to inevitable improvements afterwards.&amp;nbsp; The sole example he uses is aviation where he points out that the Wright Brothers' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers"&gt;first powered flight&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt; in 1903 was followed in 1927 by &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh"&gt; Lindbergh's&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt; transatlantic flight, then in 1949 by the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Comet"&gt; first commercial aircraft&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt; and then by the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde"&gt; Concorde&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt; 20 years later in 1969.&amp;nbsp; So, there has been a "serenely smooth" acceleration of aviation technology with a revolutionary milestone occurring every 20 years or so.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Setting aside the fact that supersonic passenger aviation could be viewed as a technological flop, de Grey's example (and his entire argument about technological acceleration) requires that there was another revolutionary milestone achieved in aviation around the year 1990.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, what was it?&amp;nbsp; &lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Ending Aging</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/10/15/ending-aging.aspx?ref=rss" />
		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2007-10-15:a687874c-44f0-4183-bda7-d552b2a95384</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<category term="de Grey" />
		<updated>2007-10-16T04:22:00Z</updated>
		<published>2007-10-16T04:22:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;div style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;I just got my copy of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://www.amazon.com/Ending-Aging-Rejuvenation-Breakthroughs-Lifetime/dp/0312367066?ie=UTF8"&gt; Ending Aging&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt; in the mail and I am thrilled.&amp;nbsp; I have read pretty much everything de Grey has written on life extension on his &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://www.sens.org"&gt; web page&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt; and I have skimmed his book and I now realize that he is easy to refute.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Basically, all of the technical details that de Grey goes into in his book are a big obfuscation.&amp;nbsp; His SENS ideology (according to him) will only give us an extra 20 years or so which isn't crazy.&amp;nbsp; After all, we already got 40 years of added life expectancy over the last 150 years.&amp;nbsp; Another 20 isn't unreasonable.&amp;nbsp; Indeed, many of de Grey's opponents in the gerontology community have said that another 7 years might be possible, so 20 years isn't out of bounds.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;The reason people are opposed to de Grey is because he believes that we will live another 1000 years, not just 20, and his basis for believing in this can be summed up in one single sentence on page 328: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;"This stark contrast between fundamental breakthroughs and incremental
refinements of those breakthroughs is, I would contend, typical of the
history of technological fields."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;(To put this line in context, read his essay &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: Times New Roman;" href="http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/degrey07/degrey07_index.html"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;A HA!!!&amp;nbsp; Wrong!!!&amp;nbsp; Most technologies flop as shown by the 98% of patents that never make any money, or the 99% of drugs that never go to market.&amp;nbsp; The example of flight that de Grey uses proves my point, not his.&amp;nbsp; He says that the Concorde is an example of a successful technological acceleration when it is actually an example of a technological flop that never overcame the problem of noise pollution.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Even though I am a physical scientist, I have been spending a lot of time reading de Grey instead of, say, Drexler.&amp;nbsp; I think the reason is that I consider Drexler (and Kurzweil) to be small potatoes compared to de Grey.&amp;nbsp; De Grey has real scientific arguments and isn't saying frothing-at-the-mouth nonsense like Kurzweil is about the entire Universe being turned into a giant computer.&amp;nbsp; That is why I am so thrilled that I don't actual have to address any of his scientific arguments to refute his immortalist claims.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;Thanks Aubrey for making my job a lot easier!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;/font&gt;</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Transistors: Pound for Pound</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/09/17/transistors-pound-for-pound.aspx?ref=rss" />
		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2007-09-17:1f717c27-3619-4d74-8430-89ccbad8152a</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<category term="Moore's Law" />
		<updated>2007-09-18T01:55:00Z</updated>
		<published>2007-09-18T01:55:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;Many of the &lt;a href="http://www.matildasfinefoods.com/sitemap/p/Fancy-Assorted-Nuts-32.htm"&gt; assorted nuts&lt;/a&gt; at the recent &lt;a href="http://www.singinst.org/summit2007/"&gt; Singularity Summit&lt;/a&gt; apparently believe that the entire universe (or at least much of our planet) will be turned into a &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/science/14tier.html?ei=5070&amp;amp;en=2242bf406ca9d5c7&amp;amp;ex=1190174400&amp;amp;pagewanted=all"&gt; giant computer.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After all, if you extrapolate Moore's Law then very soon computers will be so powerful, that they will start to think for themselves and then start expanding over the face of the Earth like bacteria did billions of years ago.&amp;nbsp; There is at least one problem with this: transistors have been getting more expensive over time.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have already shown that &lt;a href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/06/15/why-im-skeptical-about-nanotechnology.aspx"&gt; small is expensive&lt;/a&gt;, but here I want to point out that the long term trend for transistors (at least) is to increase in cost when normalized with their size.&amp;nbsp; In 1965,  transistors were roughly 1 mm square and &lt;a href="http://www.nano.gov/html/facts/Moores_Law.htm"&gt; cost $1 each&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Today, for 1 dollar you can buy 50 million transistors which makes it seem like they are much cheaper.&amp;nbsp; However, they are much MUCH smaller today with features roughly 100 nm in size.&amp;nbsp; The shrinkage in size greatly outweighs the cost reduction which means that pound for pound (or liter per liter) transistors are 4 to 5 orders of magnitude more expensive today then they were 40 years ago.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fundamental reason for this is that the universe (through the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics"&gt; 2nd Law of Thermodynamics&lt;/a&gt;) wants things to be spread out and hates it when structures are packed in tiny spaces.&amp;nbsp; So, this trend will inevitably increase for Si/SiO2 integrated circuits and for any other potential replacement for them (i.e., molecular, quantum, DNA computing, etc.) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if we manage to invent an A.I., which is not inevitable, it will still be constrained by the laws of physics and economics which are driving the pound-for-pound increase in the cost of computing substrates.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is &lt;a href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/04/02/a-quick-refutation-of-kurzweil.aspx"&gt; yet&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/04/19/is-technology-accelerating-nope.aspx"&gt; another&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/05/09/our-tree-of-life-is-fractal.aspx"&gt; reason&lt;/a&gt; why the Singularity is physically impossible.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Mad Max or the Matrix?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://blog.infeasible.org/2007/08/15/mad-max-or-the-matrix.aspx?ref=rss" />
		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2007-08-15:4fb1913a-77bf-40b8-9fa6-70407febfb92</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<category term="Transhumanism" />
		<updated>2007-08-16T00:52:00Z</updated>
		<published>2007-08-16T00:52:00Z</published>
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&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;All futurology falls into one of two categories.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;





&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;The first branch predicts that we will soon become subsumed
in our technology and radically alter human nature by either becoming immortal
or having genetically altered babies or uploading our brains into computers,
etc.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These people I call New Testament
Transhumanists because they have heard the good news of Technology and welcome
its commencing.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;The second type of futurist is the Old Testament Transhumanist.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;He agrees with the New Testament folks that
technology is accelerating, but is fearful of the inevitable
techno-future.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_kass"&gt; Leon Kass&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html"&gt; Bill Joy&lt;/a&gt;
fall into this category.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some, like the
&lt;a href="http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/"&gt; Peak Oil&lt;/a&gt; people, believe that we will be betrayed by technology and hurled back
into the &lt;a href="http://dieoff.org/page125.htm"&gt; Olduvai Gorge&lt;/a&gt; to live like cavemen again.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;





&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;Some people flip-flop between these two positions.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;For instance, British journalist Bryan
Appleyard wrote a book called &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Brave-New-Worlds-Staying-Genetic/dp/0670869899/ref=sr_1_2/104-9748709-8732716?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1187226612&amp;amp;sr=1-2"&gt; Brave New Worlds: Staying Human in the Genetic Future&lt;/a&gt; where he wrings his hands about a future similar to Huxley’s novel.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;However, &lt;a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article575370.ece"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt; is an article where Appleyard
now says that we are heading to a “New Dark Age” where technology will fail
us.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;Can’t the truth be somewhere in the middle!!!&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;



&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;This is precisely my point.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Our future lies somewhere in the roomy middle (see figure below).&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;My argument against both branches of futurism
is radical in how boring it is which is precisely why you will never hear of it
in the popular media.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Our future is more
of the same.&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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	<entry>
		<title>Mormonism and Transhumanism</title>
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		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2007-08-14:2a64154a-01d1-428e-8ee0-381b6808fe90</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<category term="Transhumanism" />
		<updated>2007-08-15T02:45:00Z</updated>
		<published>2007-08-15T02:45:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;font size="3"&gt;I&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt; just realized that I did do something that relates to
Transhumanism over my summer vacation.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I
went to &lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city w:st="on"&gt;Palmyra&lt;/st1:city&gt;, &lt;st1:state w:st="on"&gt;NY&lt;/st1:state&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; to the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_Cumorah"&gt; Hill Cumorah&lt;/a&gt;, the site where
&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_Jr."&gt; Joseph Smith&lt;/a&gt; received the golden tablets from the Angel Moroni.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The two images below were taken from on top
of the hill.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The statue is of the Angel
that first appeared to Smith in a vision telling him not to follow any other
religions.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Smith later went on to create
the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism"&gt; Mormon&lt;/a&gt; religion.&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How does this relate to Transhumanism?&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because Mormonism is another example of a
&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic"&gt; Gnostic&lt;/a&gt; religion, &lt;a href="http://www.thecbc.org/redesigned/research_display.php?id=189"&gt; which is what Transhumanism&lt;/a&gt; is.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There are many aspects to Gnosticism, but the
main ones that relate to Mormonism and Transhumanism is that a secret Knowledge
(or Gnosis) will liberate you from your body and you will become a God or you
will create God.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In the case of
Transhumanism the Gnosis is modern science with its dense jargon;
indecipherable except to a chosen few.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Whether through de Grey’s &lt;a href="http://www.sens.org/"&gt; SENS&lt;/a&gt; ideology, or Kurzweil’s &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_transfer"&gt; brain uploading&lt;/a&gt;
or Drexler’s nanobots, supposedly we will soon transcend our flesh and the
thousand natural shocks it is heir to, to become immortal omniscient Gods.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Indeed, Kurzweil openly states that the
Singularity is the creation of God.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Thus, the standard Christian theology is flip-flopped: instead of God
creating us, we create God.&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman" size="3"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;Similarly, Mormons believe that after death, they will
become Gods.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Married couples are married
through eternity and actually have sex in the afterlife in order to populate
new worlds that the married couple will essentially be the God and Goddess
of.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Not many people realize that
Mormonism is as profound a departure from Christianity as Islam is.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Remember that next November when you consider
voting for Romney.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://blog.infeasible.org/images/83445-72947/IMG_1183_copy.jpg" border="0" width="400"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://blog.infeasible.org/images/83445-72947/IMG_1185_copy.jpg" border="0" width="300"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Life Expectancy won't Budge Much</title>
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		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2007-08-01:97ffdeb2-a67f-4caa-a25b-7dd4b2468d43</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<category term="de Grey" />
		<updated>2007-08-02T02:22:00Z</updated>
		<published>2007-08-02T02:22:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;font face="Times New Roman"&gt;From "In Search of Methuselah: Estimating the Limits to Human Longevity" by Olshansky, et al. (1990):&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They estimate that if we cure all cancer, we would only increase the life expectancy of Americans (in 1985) by a little over 3 years.&amp;nbsp; Same for heart disease.&amp;nbsp; If we cure all circulatory diseases, diabetes and cancer, life expectancy would increase only by about 15.5 years.&amp;nbsp; Now 15.5 more years would be great but it wouldn't be civilization altering.&amp;nbsp; After all, we have already increased life expectancy over the 20th century by about 30 years.&amp;nbsp; Another 15 wouldn't be out of the ordinary.&amp;nbsp; The figure below shows the reduction in mortality resulting from elimination of various diseases.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;img src="http://blog.infeasible.org/images/83445-72947/Life_Expectancy.jpg" border="0" width="400"&gt;&lt;br&gt;Every night on the news we hear of new treatments and medications that reduce mortality rates from various diseases and one could get the impression from all of this that overall mortality will greatly drop in the near future, however, the figure above suggests otherwise.&amp;nbsp; Eliminating all the diseases you have ever heard of would only increase life expectancy a couple of decades but we will still die of cell senescence.&amp;nbsp; I understand that &lt;a href="http://www.sens.org/"&gt; Aubrey de Grey&lt;/a&gt; plans on reversing damage from metabolism rather than its pathologies, like the diseases in the figure above.&amp;nbsp; My point is that &lt;br&gt;the vast majority of money currently being spent in the World to combat disease won't actually result in dramatic improvements in life expectancy even if all that research is entirely successful.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As Olshansky, et al., say in their paper: "the period of rapid increases in life expectancy in developed nations has come to an end."&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Sorry for not posting for a while but ...</title>
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		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<updated>2007-08-01T23:05:00Z</updated>
		<published>2007-08-01T23:05:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">&lt;font face="Times New Roman"&gt;&lt;font size="4"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;we are buying a new house and selling our old one and that is taking up a lot of time.&amp;nbsp; Also, GoDaddy changed the interface on my Quickblog so I am learning it.&amp;nbsp; I lost my picture of the Hindenburg burning and can't figure out how to put it back up.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have been reading a lot and I have a lot of posts to put up.&amp;nbsp; It's just a matter of writing them.&amp;nbsp; Thanks for all the emails though.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Soft Vitalism</title>
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		<id>tag:blog.infeasible.org,2007-07-31:f2834475-ca12-40f5-a810-4722d4f35a0d</id>
		<author>
			<name>HP LaLancette</name>
		</author>
		<updated>2007-08-01T03:27:00Z</updated>
		<published>2007-08-01T03:27:00Z</published>
		<content type="html">The properties of most matter in the universe can be
approximated using &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_mechanics"&gt; continuum mechanics&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This
is an astonishing simplification since it allows us to ignore all of the
individual atoms and molecules of materials, fluids and gases and just consider
them as continuous materials with well defined properties.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;



&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;For instance, a &lt;a href="http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae342.cfm"&gt; grain of salt&lt;/a&gt; contains about 1.2 X 10&lt;sup&gt;18&lt;/sup&gt;
atoms, yet since it has cubic symmetry; its linear elastic properties are
completely defined by just 3 numbers.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;




&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;Most of the technologies mankind has developed so far
exploit this massive simplification to the hilt.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Materials scientists (like me) design new
materials with different properties which engineers then put to use to make new
designs and technologies, all the while ignoring the atomic complexity of those
materials.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;




&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;However, there is a small subset of materials in the
universe that have properties that can not be approximated but rather are complex
and functional at the molecular level.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These
materials are made up of atoms that have been temporarily scooped up by the
Darwinian algorithm and bonded with other atoms in precise ways to make tiny
little machines that have precise functions within the context of living cells
or organisms.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; All &lt;/span&gt;molecular machines have specific functions that they perform which can not be generalized to other
molecular machines.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Therefore, there is
not a broad simplification that can be applied to all the machines that will
simplify our task in understanding how they work.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;




&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;Since science is always reductionistic, the second class of
materials in the universe can not be easily understood by science unlike the
first class of materials described above.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;In a sense, Mother Nature temporarily infuses the second class of
materials with a sort of magic power I call Soft Vitalism.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Soft because it is only ‘sort of’ magic.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The second class of materials is all built on
hard naturalistic ground.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I am not arguing
for old-fashioned &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitalism"&gt; Vitalism&lt;/a&gt; which said that there is a supernatural life force
that animates living material.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; I am &lt;/span&gt;only saying that
Darwinism produces material that is mostly resistant to the inroads of science.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;






&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;This is why I am skeptical about Transhumanism.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So far, most of the technologies that we have
made have used the first type of materials which are amendable to reductionistic
science.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;However, Transhumanists believe
that science will be just as successful with the second class of materials as
it has been with the first.&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;br&gt;
&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;


&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I doubt it.&lt;span style=""&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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